Kira tells Lucy the story of why she decided to print Lucy, revealing that her love for her wife Eleanor was what caused her to cross that ethical line in the sand. Lucy challenges Kira's decision, which leads to a surprising reveal for both women.
We Need to Talk about Our Feeeeeeeeelings
- Stephanie is mad at this episode. But she also really liked it.
- Kris thinks of this as the mid-season theory-confirmation hour.
- How do we feel about Kira's decision to “clone” Eleanor despite it being arguably unethical?
- The show gave us a “San Junipero,” but it doesn't look hopeful that Kira and Eleanor will have a happy ending at this point.
- Kira printed Eleanor to try to keep her from forgetting Kira and Lucas due to Alzheimer's, but Lucy can't remember them anyway.
- KAKE article about this episode
2030
- Krysten Ritter plays Eleanor as different from Lucy but not remarkably so. Eleanor seems more intellectual and less emotional than Lucy.
- Grad school-aged Kira is played by August Winter, who was a cast member on Mary Kills People as well as a guest star on Chucky and Pretty Hard Cases.
- Eleanor is lecturing about memory in one of the first scenes.
“The action of memory takes place not in the neurons themselves, but in the space between the neurons, in the synapses in the way one neuron communicates with another….whether the memory is episodic, semantic, priming, or procedural. It's all impacted. Even now, your experience hearing this lecture, sitting in this room, is in some way quite literally shaping who you are.”
- A possible/definite reference to the original series? Kira takes a box of wine from the holiday party, much like Cosima grabbed two bottles of wine when she and Delphine left Leekie's lecture in 1×06 “Variations Under Domestication.”
- Eleanor knew that Kira's mom is a clone, even though Kira didn't tell her, which means their outing themselves in Orphan Black: The Next Chapter is canon on this series.
- Eleanor doesn't talk about the “bloody bathroom” incident, but she tells Kira her parents were difficult when she was younger and she didn't get to talk to her mother about her childhood before her mother developed Alzheimer's.
2050
- Kris has (BIG) issues with this timeline. How did all of this happen in so little time?
- Older Eleanor is played by Rya Kihlstedt, who has been in a few episodes of so many television shows, including Superman & Lois, Obi Wan Kenobi, Heroes Reborn, and One Mississippi. Nerds that Geek have an interview with Rya about her role on Orphan Black: Echoes.
- Stephanie likes that the creative team decided to cast three different actors to play “Eleanor” at different ages rather than using makeup/effects on the same actor. The choice emphasizes how we change as a person over our lives. (Though Rya did wear a prosthetic nose that looked more like Krysten Ritter's nose.)
- Kira's printed neurons were not able to save Eleanor, and we have seen her continue to work on the technology.
2052
- We have new context for the questions Kira asked Lucy when she woke up after printing and Kira's response, and it's just so sad.
- Kira tells Lucy she didn't think it was a good idea for her to meet Lucas. But if that's the case, what was her original plan for printing Lucy in regards to her son?
- Kira reveals that Lucy's UV tattoo doesn't have anything to do with her being a printout. It's a line from a poem by W.S. Merwin called “To Paula in Late Spring.” W.S. Merwin was a prolific American poet, who won two Nobel Prizes and was U.S. poet laureate in 2010-2011. Paula was Merwin's wife's name.
Let me imagine that we will come again
when we want to and it will be spring
we will be no older than we ever were
the worn griefs will have eased like the early cloud
through which the morning slowly comes to itself
and the ancient defenses against the dead
will be done with and left to the dead at last
the light will be as it is now in the garden
that we have made here these years together
of our long evenings and astonishment
- WE KNEW IT. Kira didn't know that Jules existed. How did Darros get medical scans of a teenaged Eleanor? Why was Jules created? Has Darros printed any other complete organisms?
- Lucy is still (reasonably so) angry at Kira, but can they find common ground now that they know that Kira is not responsible for Jules? What's the bigger picture?
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